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	<description>I&#039;m an atheist who has been a full-time pornographer and sex worker for 10 years, but I&#039;m now transitioning out of the jizz biz into a science career. In my silly younger days, I was a &#34;sex-positive feminist,&#34; but I grew up and stopped trying to shoehorn myself into a useless ideology like a pair of ill-fitting high heels. I oppose the core feminist beliefs that women are inherently feeble victims, brainwashed by &#34;the patriarchy,&#34; and that we can&#039;t succeed in life unless we&#039;re treated like babies and exempted from fair competition. I operate SWAAY.org, the only sex workers&#039; rights project aimed solely at public outreach and education. My philosophy is informed primarily by Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse: &#34;I want you to be nice until it&#039;s time to not be nice.&#34; Schadenfreude is my spirit animal.</description>
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		<title>By: Furry Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.feminisnt.com/2011/why-i-am-against-free-college-for-everyone/#comment-31831</link>
		<dc:creator>Furry Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some other loony chick posted insulting comments about how I&#039;m terrible for &quot;refusing to have a discussion&quot; (refusing to agree with the pro-free college people) on this issue.  FUCKWITS: This is my blog.  I don&#039;t owe it to you to agree with your opinion just because you went to all the trouble of posting a comment or sending an email.  No blogger owes you anything, not even publishing your comments.  Comments are a privilege, not a right, and I know that the drive-by insulters are not the people who contribute to interesting discussions overall on my blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some other loony chick posted insulting comments about how I'm terrible for "refusing to have a discussion" (refusing to agree with the pro-free college people) on this issue.  FUCKWITS: This is my blog.  I don't owe it to you to agree with your opinion just because you went to all the trouble of posting a comment or sending an email.  No blogger owes you anything, not even publishing your comments.  Comments are a privilege, not a right, and I know that the drive-by insulters are not the people who contribute to interesting discussions overall on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Furry Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.feminisnt.com/2011/why-i-am-against-free-college-for-everyone/#comment-31686</link>
		<dc:creator>Furry Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrea: I can see you&#039;ve never taken any real science classes if you think they require &quot;no independent thought.&quot;  I could pass your finals while drunk, and I regularly outwit people with liberal arts degrees (BA, MA, and PhDs) at their own field of study.  I&#039;m sure that&#039;s embarrassing for you, poor stupid thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea: I can see you've never taken any real science classes if you think they require "no independent thought."  I could pass your finals while drunk, and I regularly outwit people with liberal arts degrees (BA, MA, and PhDs) at their own field of study.  I'm sure that's embarrassing for you, poor stupid thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you can measure the validity or effort involved in an area of study by the how intelligent the people who have studied it are outside that body of knowledge? That&#039;s your crushing logic right there, is it? You only have to be knowledgeable in your own area to get a PhD, and have the work ethic and money to see it through. Nobody said the college education system doesn&#039;t let idiots through, and that goes just as well for the math and computer science types, assuming what you&#039;re going to evaluate them on isn&#039;t fuzzy logic or infinite series. It&#039;s up to the student whether they actually learn anything other than the bare minimum needed to score on evaluations. 

I didn&#039;t say I have any difficulty comprehending my courses. I said it takes less time and effort to take some formulae and apply them to different sets of numbers and symbols than it does to construct a 12 page term paper with solid supported arguments and secondary sources, for example. As long as you&#039;re not the type who can&#039;t handle numbers and symbols. There isn&#039;t exactly a lot of independent thought involved in finding the value of x. I know that there are science courses that are plenty hard, but I also know there&#039;s a good share of science students who wouldn&#039;t excel in my area. Just wait for MCAT season and listen to them complain about how it includes an evaluation on writing skills. There are intelligence types who freak out when there&#039;s only right or wrong (or black and white), and there are intelligence types who freak out when there&#039;s more than that. You can be either and still be an idiot or an intellectual. 

Society doesn&#039;t value liberal arts degrees because they aren&#039;t utilitarian. I know I&#039;m not getting a job based on my ability to interpret Shakespeare or understand the sociological forces behind inequality. But that&#039;s really only an issue if all I plan to do is get an undergraduate, or if all I had been doing with mine was the so-called navel gazing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you can measure the validity or effort involved in an area of study by the how intelligent the people who have studied it are outside that body of knowledge? That's your crushing logic right there, is it? You only have to be knowledgeable in your own area to get a PhD, and have the work ethic and money to see it through. Nobody said the college education system doesn't let idiots through, and that goes just as well for the math and computer science types, assuming what you're going to evaluate them on isn't fuzzy logic or infinite series. It's up to the student whether they actually learn anything other than the bare minimum needed to score on evaluations. </p>
<p>I didn't say I have any difficulty comprehending my courses. I said it takes less time and effort to take some formulae and apply them to different sets of numbers and symbols than it does to construct a 12 page term paper with solid supported arguments and secondary sources, for example. As long as you're not the type who can't handle numbers and symbols. There isn't exactly a lot of independent thought involved in finding the value of x. I know that there are science courses that are plenty hard, but I also know there's a good share of science students who wouldn't excel in my area. Just wait for MCAT season and listen to them complain about how it includes an evaluation on writing skills. There are intelligence types who freak out when there's only right or wrong (or black and white), and there are intelligence types who freak out when there's more than that. You can be either and still be an idiot or an intellectual. </p>
<p>Society doesn't value liberal arts degrees because they aren't utilitarian. I know I'm not getting a job based on my ability to interpret Shakespeare or understand the sociological forces behind inequality. But that's really only an issue if all I plan to do is get an undergraduate, or if all I had been doing with mine was the so-called navel gazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 01:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Furry,
Gotta say, I agree with you on this topic. I have two bachelor degrees (of science), but the first one was laughable (Parks and Recreation) and the second didn&#039;t convey as much science as it should have (Nursing). 
The vast majority of college degrees are not an education... they are you buying a piece of paper to get a better job.  

It&#039;s also a way for people to protect their jobs... if a high school education is enough to do your job, how do you protect your career from being swamped by people willing to do it cheaper?  You require a degree that entails an upfront investment.  This pushes away many of those potential job-seekers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furry,<br />
Gotta say, I agree with you on this topic. I have two bachelor degrees (of science), but the first one was laughable (Parks and Recreation) and the second didn't convey as much science as it should have (Nursing).<br />
The vast majority of college degrees are not an education... they are you buying a piece of paper to get a better job.  </p>
<p>It's also a way for people to protect their jobs... if a high school education is enough to do your job, how do you protect your career from being swamped by people willing to do it cheaper?  You require a degree that entails an upfront investment.  This pushes away many of those potential job-seekers.</p>
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		<title>By: Avery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 00:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks like I&#039;ve discovered the blog of a truly independent thinker on the Internet. Good for you on finding your way out of the maze of college-&quot;educated&quot; myths.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like I've discovered the blog of a truly independent thinker on the Internet. Good for you on finding your way out of the maze of college-"educated" myths.</p>
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		<title>By: Furry Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.feminisnt.com/2011/why-i-am-against-free-college-for-everyone/#comment-30793</link>
		<dc:creator>Furry Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 06:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrea:  Just because you have a hard time comprehending your courseload, it doesn&#039;t mean that 400-level English classes are harder or even equal to science classes - it just means you&#039;re not terribly smart.  I would be so embarrassed if I struggled with understanding reading and writing, but you seem to take pride in it.

I interact with people with liberal arts degrees constantly.  I crush their arguments and slaughter their logic-free ideas with ease - including people who hold PhDs and serve as tenured professors.  I don&#039;t need to have taken liberal arts classes myself.  I can look at what those who take *and* teach the classes know, and for most of them, it&#039;s not the least bit impressive.

There&#039;s a reason that society gives very little weight to liberal arts degrees, and it&#039;s not because there&#039;s a conspiracy on the part of we fact-brained.  It&#039;s because you precious darlings spent 4 years frittering away time contemplating and your navels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea:  Just because you have a hard time comprehending your courseload, it doesn't mean that 400-level English classes are harder or even equal to science classes - it just means you're not terribly smart.  I would be so embarrassed if I struggled with understanding reading and writing, but you seem to take pride in it.</p>
<p>I interact with people with liberal arts degrees constantly.  I crush their arguments and slaughter their logic-free ideas with ease - including people who hold PhDs and serve as tenured professors.  I don't need to have taken liberal arts classes myself.  I can look at what those who take *and* teach the classes know, and for most of them, it's not the least bit impressive.</p>
<p>There's a reason that society gives very little weight to liberal arts degrees, and it's not because there's a conspiracy on the part of we fact-brained.  It's because you precious darlings spent 4 years frittering away time contemplating and your navels.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no such thing as a wrong answer? That&#039;s ridiculous. How do you think the professors grade this stuff, by asking a magic 8 ball? There&#039;s room for subjectivity if you&#039;re doing a literary analysis or a personal reflection, but they don&#039;t exactly make up the bulk of the arts curriculum. Having more nuance than yes or no doesn&#039;t make something inherently useless or easy. Actually, to many of the science and math-brained types it makes it much less so. 

You clearly lack understanding of what goes into the courses you&#039;re talking about, apparently it&#039;s not thinking math is hard but thinking everything else is easy. I&#039;ve taken mid level calculus and it didn&#039;t hold a candle to the workload and effort involved in some of my 4th year English courses. If I had any interest in math as a career, a degree in that wouldn&#039;t have been harder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's no such thing as a wrong answer? That's ridiculous. How do you think the professors grade this stuff, by asking a magic 8 ball? There's room for subjectivity if you're doing a literary analysis or a personal reflection, but they don't exactly make up the bulk of the arts curriculum. Having more nuance than yes or no doesn't make something inherently useless or easy. Actually, to many of the science and math-brained types it makes it much less so. </p>
<p>You clearly lack understanding of what goes into the courses you're talking about, apparently it's not thinking math is hard but thinking everything else is easy. I've taken mid level calculus and it didn't hold a candle to the workload and effort involved in some of my 4th year English courses. If I had any interest in math as a career, a degree in that wouldn't have been harder.</p>
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		<title>By: Furry Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Furry Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrea: That&#039;s so cute of you to say I must not be able to understand science and math because I&#039;m smarter than liberal arts time-wasters.  Good comeback!  Liberal arts courses are about spewing and reading a bunch of extremely subjective fluff and navel-gazing.  Anyone can write ten thousand words on what it means to them to be a woman.  There&#039;s no such thing as a wrong answer.  Those same people would burst into panicked tears if they had to take four years of substantive classes where there are such things as &lt;em&gt;correct&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;incorrect&lt;/em&gt; answers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea: That's so cute of you to say I must not be able to understand science and math because I'm smarter than liberal arts time-wasters.  Good comeback!  Liberal arts courses are about spewing and reading a bunch of extremely subjective fluff and navel-gazing.  Anyone can write ten thousand words on what it means to them to be a woman.  There's no such thing as a wrong answer.  Those same people would burst into panicked tears if they had to take four years of substantive classes where there are such things as <em>correct</em> and <em>incorrect</em> answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You would have to be pretty intensely bad at science and maths to believe that freshman courses in either would be more strenuous than 4th level liberal arts courses. I know you didn&#039;t go to college, but that&#039;s a hugely misguided statement. Sciences are not in the least the only things that take effort or critical thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would have to be pretty intensely bad at science and maths to believe that freshman courses in either would be more strenuous than 4th level liberal arts courses. I know you didn't go to college, but that's a hugely misguided statement. Sciences are not in the least the only things that take effort or critical thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Furry Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Furry Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stick: I think the answer is to not play the degree game at all, unless you absolutely need one for your career.  There are a million ways to learn most subjects taught in college for free/cheap.  It&#039;s like student loan debt is a tax on people who think they&#039;re too good to use the public library.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stick: I think the answer is to not play the degree game at all, unless you absolutely need one for your career.  There are a million ways to learn most subjects taught in college for free/cheap.  It's like student loan debt is a tax on people who think they're too good to use the public library.</p>
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