I am not saying that I can more clearly draw legal lines or whether or not our countries legally established rights need to be changed, I am not advocating any lifestyle or religion or taking sides with anything at all.

But I am saying that when the ones who are affected by these situations of contention (the happenings that the line between right and wrong cannot be agreed upon even in a way to disagree)
when these who are affected are not allowed to move on anywhere (in real life or ether) without facing principally the same situations on a daily basis which such treatment justified to ensure that the past remain "still no consensus if the past was wrong or right" WELL THAT IS ONE EFFED UP SITUATION and I would rather swim in boiling lava, I would rather not live and be dead of this world than cross any bridge or stay on any side with those who choose to remain spiritually dead but physically alive.

in principle I commend you friend.

because only those with hearts like yours (who hearts will always be in principle right) and in loving ways always guide you to act (I will give my opinion here because I believe it is better to commit an action of a love or deed of love that hurts nobody (that the world and laws may or may not define as wrong) for better to do love than any action that is considered legal, just, or praised by the majority when it does harm.

Funny Girl the Saint, I would swim too for the reason that this time you do, and anytime my heart told my not to choose comfort with discomfort was the only way right.

thank you

dusty

Just dropping you a note of support in standing up for what you believe (which is wise regardless of the circumstances, and in this case I think the circumstances are unassailable).

In the past, I've seen close up a completely unrelated controversy involving Carnal Nation. I've come to the conclusion that the organization (not the contributing "reporters", who are just commissioned writers) is functionally delusional, and nothing in your tale changes my mind.

They are acting as if they are a major news organization, like (say) the New York Times, for whom there may well be grounds to argue the freedom of speech issue. But they are not the NYT, and their stated audience is allegedly the sex positive community.

Which leaves them with a problem: either they can claim to be support freedom of speech at all costs OR they can claim to address the sex positive community. They can't have it both ways, but they don't seem to appreciate that the reality is that they are one of thousands of outlets for material, and eventually their habits (as you illustrated) will drive away the contributors upon who they depend. And they will fade away...

(By the way, for those who try to defend them: the "freedom of speech" argument also could have been addressed as it is by serious and ethical news organizations, i.e. by permitting the asshat to write his "stalking bounty" piece, and then publishing it simultaneously with a rebuttal written by *them*. I don't think this is a particularly good approach, but it is one that would have made it clear what their views are, and potentially could have resulted in pulling the fangs of the asshat).

M

I think my schedule at the DA con is all full hanging out with people who believe in science and logic and reason - AND don't defend companies that stalk sex workers, or events that welcome companies that are anti-sex worker. I never really cared if you want to be a magic crystal healing escort, that just meant I never wanted to socialize with you unless absolutely necessary. (Why do you think I haven't been to your potlucks? Ever consider that branding SWOP NW like a new age support group might turn off other sex workers, too?) After seeing you doggedly defend an event that kissed the ass of an anti-sex worker company, I now have absolutely zero interest in interacting with you for ANY reason. But, good luck - and I do sincerely hope something useful comes out of the $2000 donation you were handed by the people so you oh-so-coincidentally just happen to support.

Thank you for removing yourself from the mailing list. It is clear that you are most happy being a renegade. Admirable for it's own reasons, though as our primary focus is networking across the range of sex workers and available support for the good of all, clearly I was misinformed when I was told that you were someone who would be supportive of the work that NW-SWOP is doing.

Re: The tantric practitioner socials - you never were invited to those and wouldn't be. The Healers Exchange is a much smaller and completely separate project which has nothing to do with the work of NW-SWOP's handful of dedicated internet whores, other than as those groups have naturally overlapped via participation by specific individuals.

I do not know why you hold so much animosity towards myself or the NW-SWOP efforts. That offer for a drink at DA is still on the table and you are welcome to contact me directly if you ever choose. I'll stop engaging with you here as it seems this should be a personal conversation, should it ever happen.

My wishes for a prosperous and bright spring time to you.
"Mary"

Good night!

I'm getting my bleary eyes off the computer before I manage to mangle another thought.

In re-reading, I do see where I truncated my message.
"more so than what you have done with this blog."

That was to have said "more so than what you have done with this blog post."

I can see how you read what you did into my response and I apologize.

I'm sorry you thought I was dismissing your blog, your "cred" or yourself personally, I was dismissing this one post and the good it was doing (or not.) I am a fan of your blog and am supportive of your larger efforts. As I've said several times now, very seriously, I hope that despite our not seeing this particular matter in the same light we are able to work together in the name of our shared passions. If you see me at the DA conference please come say hello, I'd love to buy you a drink so we can chat this out.

Please don't be so quick to dismiss me FG. I may not be well known in the blogging circles though I am very well known in the Pacific Northwest for sex worker safety and support that I've personally coordinated for years, long before there a NW-SWOP organization that could support those efforts. I'm also quite well known nationally providing information and support to sex workers visiting our area. Just not with this name... and if you choose not to engage with the organization for whatever reason, perhaps you will engage with me and the local providers.

"Mary"
or,
that other me you met with the other name