Comments on: Frequently Addressed Accusation: "Porn objectifies women as sex objects!" http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/frequently-addressed-accusation-porn-objectifies-women-as-sex-objects/ I'm an atheist who has been a full time pornographer and sex worker for almost 10 years. I'm also a former "sex-positive feminist" who tired of trying to shoehorn my life into a useless ideology like a pair of ill-fitting high heels. I oppose the feminist doctrine that women are inherently feeble victims, brainwashed by "the patriarchy," and in need of someone to protect and guide us. I operate SWAAY.org, the only American sex workers' rights project aimed solely at public outreach and education. My politics are extremely socially permissive, but mixed on fiscal matters, and I don't identify with any one political party or label. My philosophy is informed primarily by Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse: "I want you to be nice until it's time to not be nice." Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:42:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Hur myndigheter diskriminerar sexarbetare | Liberaldemokraterna http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/frequently-addressed-accusation-porn-objectifies-women-as-sex-objects/#comment-26618 Hur myndigheter diskriminerar sexarbetare | Liberaldemokraterna Sat, 15 Oct 2011 05:28:41 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=44#comment-26618 [...] Frequently Addressed Accusation: ”Porn objectifies women as sex objects!” [...] [...] Frequently Addressed Accusation: ”Porn objectifies women as sex objects!” [...]

]]> By: Josh http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/frequently-addressed-accusation-porn-objectifies-women-as-sex-objects/#comment-2939 Josh Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:56:06 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=44#comment-2939 I think the argument as I've heard it presented is not so much that porn objectifies the women involved in creating it, but that it gets the porn consumer into the habit of objectifying women, which then spills over to other women in his life outside of the context of the porn. I see it as another glimpse of the same reasoning behind the "video games make kids violent" argument. Neither are arguments I'm likely to accept, mind. I think the argument as I've heard it presented is not so much that porn objectifies the women involved in creating it, but that it gets the porn consumer into the habit of objectifying women, which then spills over to other women in his life outside of the context of the porn. I see it as another glimpse of the same reasoning behind the "video games make kids violent" argument. Neither are arguments I'm likely to accept, mind.

]]> By: Porn objectifies women as sex objects? | 3ASYFUCK | THREE COLORS OF SEX http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/frequently-addressed-accusation-porn-objectifies-women-as-sex-objects/#comment-2817 Porn objectifies women as sex objects? | 3ASYFUCK | THREE COLORS OF SEX Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:34:17 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=44#comment-2817 [...] Girl at Feminisnt Ah, “objectification”, one of those buzzwords – like “empowerment” [...] [...] Girl at Feminisnt Ah, “objectification”, one of those buzzwords – like “empowerment” [...]

]]> By: John http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/frequently-addressed-accusation-porn-objectifies-women-as-sex-objects/#comment-2798 John Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:02:14 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=44#comment-2798 Excellent! I would only add that we DO have some hard-wiring for "objectification" when it comes to sex--lips, breasts, nipples, and a fine ass all trigger reactions in our brains, no matter who they are attached to. Isn't that the point of porn?? A good sex worker, IMHO, is to take those reactions and build them into a powerful and erotic experience that is fully subjective. As you said, "good porn often encourages the viewer to subjectivity the people in it.." Shall I say "AMEN"! Excellent! I would only add that we DO have some hard-wiring for "objectification" when it comes to sex--lips, breasts, nipples, and a fine ass all trigger reactions in our brains, no matter who they are attached to. Isn't that the point of porn??

A good sex worker, IMHO, is to take those reactions and build them into a powerful and erotic experience that is fully subjective. As you said, "good porn often encourages the viewer to subjectivity the people in it.." Shall I say "AMEN"!

]]> By: Christine http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/frequently-addressed-accusation-porn-objectifies-women-as-sex-objects/#comment-45 Christine Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:29:07 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=44#comment-45 I agree with you on this, especially in regard to your contrast with menial labour, but I think the mainstream porn world has alot to answer for. I agree with you on this, especially in regard to your contrast with menial labour, but I think the mainstream porn world has alot to answer for.

]]> By: dclaudekatz http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/frequently-addressed-accusation-porn-objectifies-women-as-sex-objects/#comment-17 dclaudekatz Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:51:24 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=44#comment-17 I think even the term “objectification” is misleading. We don’t “objectify” people; we just fail to “subjectify” them. When you encounter someone for the first time, they <i>are</i> an object to you. All you know about them is what you perceive with your senses. You can only guess about their subjective experience, and in the beginning, your guesses are as likely as not to be wrong. If you approach someone from the beginning “without objectification”, you’re making the often unwarranted assumption that you know something about their subjective experience: otherwise, the subject is just a blank slate. If you try to subjectify someone too quickly in an attempt to avoid “objectifying” them, you’re kind of invading their personal experiential space in a way that is more harmful to them than if you had just allowed them to be the object that they initially are. I’d also note that, at least from my experience, good porn often encourages the viewer to subjectify the people in it. When I watch someone else experiencing sexual pleasure, it’s more a case of participating vicariously in their pleasure rather than being thrilled by the outward signs of it. I think even the term “objectification” is misleading. We don’t “objectify” people; we just fail to “subjectify” them. When you encounter someone for the first time, they are an object to you. All you know about them is what you perceive with your senses. You can only guess about their subjective experience, and in the beginning, your guesses are as likely as not to be wrong. If you approach someone from the beginning “without objectification”, you’re making the often unwarranted assumption that you know something about their subjective experience: otherwise, the subject is just a blank slate. If you try to subjectify someone too quickly in an attempt to avoid “objectifying” them, you’re kind of invading their personal experiential space in a way that is more harmful to them than if you had just allowed them to be the object that they initially are.

I’d also note that, at least from my experience, good porn often encourages the viewer to subjectify the people in it. When I watch someone else experiencing sexual pleasure, it’s more a case of participating vicariously in their pleasure rather than being thrilled by the outward signs of it.

]]> By: Iamcuriousblue http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/frequently-addressed-accusation-porn-objectifies-women-as-sex-objects/#comment-15 Iamcuriousblue Thu, 28 May 2009 04:26:22 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=44#comment-15 This post is so full of win its not even funny! Its basically everything I've ever had to say about the "objectification" argument concerning porn, but in one neat, succinct, well-written post. I am so linking to this posting every time this subject rears its head on the Internets! This post is so full of win its not even funny! Its basically everything I've ever had to say about the "objectification" argument concerning porn, but in one neat, succinct, well-written post. I am so linking to this posting every time this subject rears its head on the Internets!

]]> By: Furry Girl http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/frequently-addressed-accusation-porn-objectifies-women-as-sex-objects/#comment-13 Furry Girl Mon, 18 May 2009 21:03:35 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=44#comment-13 Well, it sure beats pouring out all my energy on adult webmaster boards. Well, it sure beats pouring out all my energy on adult webmaster boards.

]]> By: Far-L http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/frequently-addressed-accusation-porn-objectifies-women-as-sex-objects/#comment-12 Far-L Mon, 18 May 2009 20:48:23 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=44#comment-12 Well if the porn thing doesn't work out I think you definitely have a knack for writing! ;-) Well if the porn thing doesn't work out I think you definitely have a knack for writing! ;-)

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