Comments on: Degrading, violent desires http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/degrading-violent-desires/ I'm an atheist who has been a full time pornographer and sex worker for almost 10 years. I'm also a former "sex-positive feminist" who tired of trying to shoehorn my life into a useless ideology like a pair of ill-fitting high heels. I oppose the feminist doctrine that women are inherently feeble victims, brainwashed by "the patriarchy," and in need of someone to protect and guide us. I operate SWAAY.org, the only American sex workers' rights project aimed solely at public outreach and education. My politics are extremely socially permissive, but mixed on fiscal matters, and I don't identify with any one political party or label. My philosophy is informed primarily by Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse: "I want you to be nice until it's time to not be nice." Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:42:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Hur myndigheter diskriminerar sexarbetare | Liberaldemokraterna http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/degrading-violent-desires/#comment-26613 Hur myndigheter diskriminerar sexarbetare | Liberaldemokraterna Sat, 15 Oct 2011 05:24:08 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=190#comment-26613 [...] Degrading, violent desires [...] [...] Degrading, violent desires [...]

]]> By: Bekah http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/degrading-violent-desires/#comment-21581 Bekah Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:49:40 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=190#comment-21581 I was just directed to your blog after reading an article about No Man's Land and i must say I am impressed and exceedingly glad that I found it! Your writing is fantastic, memorable and relatable, and i feel you embody several views I hold myself. Thanks and keep it up! Xoxo I was just directed to your blog after reading an article about No Man's Land and i must say I am impressed and exceedingly glad that I found it! Your writing is fantastic, memorable and relatable, and i feel you embody several views I hold myself. Thanks and keep it up! Xoxo

]]> By: Comixchik http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/degrading-violent-desires/#comment-16028 Comixchik Fri, 20 May 2011 12:04:07 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=190#comment-16028 From the statistics I've seen, if abuse as a child drove women (Do they ever ask the men this?) into sex work, there would be a hell of a lot more sex workers! Back in my days, especially when I was young, I admit, I was a bit of a rebel, and liked to shock people. I tended to see myself as more of an athlete than a performer, and sometimes liked to see how far I could take my body. I'd take on challenges, to see if I could do them. I'm not sorry. To assume I did any of that because I am somehow damaged is assuming a lot. From the statistics I've seen, if abuse as a child drove women (Do they ever ask the men this?) into sex work, there would be a hell of a lot more sex workers!

Back in my days, especially when I was young, I admit, I was a bit of a rebel, and liked to shock people. I tended to see myself as more of an athlete than a performer, and sometimes liked to see how far I could take my body. I'd take on challenges, to see if I could do them. I'm not sorry.

To assume I did any of that because I am somehow damaged is assuming a lot.

]]> By: Roy Kay http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/degrading-violent-desires/#comment-14088 Roy Kay Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:26:06 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=190#comment-14088 Ohhhh, this would be interesting. Have a bunch of sex workers confront a legislator and DEMAND to know how they had been abused, that they have adopted a career of lashing out at sex-workers. Insist on answers and dismiss ones not in accord as "denial". Ohhhh, this would be interesting.

Have a bunch of sex workers confront a legislator and DEMAND to know how they had been abused, that they have adopted a career of lashing out at sex-workers. Insist on answers and dismiss ones not in accord as "denial".

]]> By: Barbara Todish http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/degrading-violent-desires/#comment-13605 Barbara Todish Tue, 05 Apr 2011 19:07:28 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=190#comment-13605 If I had a second chance,when I was first(?)approached in a bar for sex for money, I would have shared my desperation and asked for help, ie maybe just advice. Now I know that what prevented me from just talking more to the first man who offered me money for sex, was the LIMITED belief that people, especially men, were not decent and did not want to help others. Instead I thought poorly of others, especially men, and I thought they only wanted to further degrade women, even more than their "second sex" relegated them to in the first place! There is a conspiracy of sorts, where there seems to be a need to keep especially, but not only, those in poverty thinking, consciously or subconsciously, that all of humankind is evil, mean and low. Once all people, but especially the poorest, the most oppressed, overcome this negativity, we all will be able to escape the sexual, etc., pornification of force and be limitless in the "secret" of love. If I had a second chance,when I was first(?)approached in a bar for sex for money, I would have shared my desperation and asked for help, ie maybe just advice. Now I know that what prevented me from just talking more to the first man who offered me money for sex, was the LIMITED belief that people, especially men, were not decent and did not want to help others. Instead I thought poorly of others, especially men, and I thought they only wanted to further degrade women, even more than their "second sex" relegated them to in the first place! There is a conspiracy of sorts, where there seems to be a need to keep especially, but not only, those in poverty thinking, consciously or subconsciously, that all of humankind is evil, mean and low. Once all people, but especially the poorest, the most oppressed, overcome this negativity, we all will be able to escape the sexual, etc., pornification of force and be limitless in the "secret" of love.

]]> By: Furry Girl http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/degrading-violent-desires/#comment-12833 Furry Girl Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:02:45 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=190#comment-12833 Luna: I think it's a pet peeve we all have, folks WANTING something bad to have happened to us, so desperate to hear us confess tawdry molestation tales. It's not sympathetic at all, it's sensationalistic and speaks more about them than it does about us. There's a good episode of The Red Umbrella Diaries called "Soul Fuckers", by Goldschwanz, which I adore: http://www.redumbrellaproject.com/soul-fuckers-goldschwanz-podcast-episode-22/ Just 7 minutes, really worth a listen! Luna: I think it's a pet peeve we all have, folks WANTING something bad to have happened to us, so desperate to hear us confess tawdry molestation tales. It's not sympathetic at all, it's sensationalistic and speaks more about them than it does about us. There's a good episode of The Red Umbrella Diaries called "Soul Fuckers", by Goldschwanz, which I adore:

http://www.redumbrellaproject.com/soul-fuckers-goldschwanz-podcast-episode-22/

Just 7 minutes, really worth a listen!

]]> By: Luna http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/degrading-violent-desires/#comment-12228 Luna Tue, 15 Mar 2011 00:37:36 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=190#comment-12228 I know this is an old post, but I've been asked by 2 different customers in my 2 yrs of stripping "what did your dad do to you when you were a little girl to make you wanna do this/turn out like this??" Of all the things customers have said and done to me, NOTHING makes me more angry or hurt than being asked this by a fucking stranger... who is himself IN A STRIP CLUB. These guys interpreted by anger as an "admission" that their presumptions about me were correct, and that my protests were due to me "being in denial". What they couldn't (or didn't want to) understand was that it wasn't that my father ever "did" anything to me (he didn't; we're not very close but we don't dislike each other either), but that the question itself is so loaded, presumptuous and absurdly invasive that there's just no way to answer it in such a way that would alter the customer's pre-determined ideas about your past. It's framed as a question, but it's not actually a REAL question. It's a statement- "you are an abused, fucked-up slut and nothing you say will change my mind about that, so either validate my presumptions or shut up and let me keep humiliating you." Additionally, if these guys actually cared, why would they choose to patronize an establishment populated by supposed products of horrible sexual abuses (who presumably only do this job BECAUSE they were sexually abused)? There's something about this idea that really turns my stomach. I know this is an old post, but I've been asked by 2 different customers in my 2 yrs of stripping "what did your dad do to you when you were a little girl to make you wanna do this/turn out like this??"

Of all the things customers have said and done to me, NOTHING makes me more angry or hurt than being asked this by a fucking stranger... who is himself IN A STRIP CLUB.

These guys interpreted by anger as an "admission" that their presumptions about me were correct, and that my protests were due to me "being in denial".

What they couldn't (or didn't want to) understand was that it wasn't that my father ever "did" anything to me (he didn't; we're not very close but we don't dislike each other either), but that the question itself is so loaded, presumptuous and absurdly invasive that there's just no way to answer it in such a way that would alter the customer's pre-determined ideas about your past. It's framed as a question, but it's not actually a REAL question. It's a statement- "you are an abused, fucked-up slut and nothing you say will change my mind about that, so either validate my presumptions or shut up and let me keep humiliating you."

Additionally, if these guys actually cared, why would they choose to patronize an establishment populated by supposed products of horrible sexual abuses (who presumably only do this job BECAUSE they were sexually abused)? There's something about this idea that really turns my stomach.

]]> By: Of interest: Tarantino, Exit Wounds, Foster Wallace, etc | Blotting paper http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/degrading-violent-desires/#comment-29 Of interest: Tarantino, Exit Wounds, Foster Wallace, etc | Blotting paper Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:55:04 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=190#comment-29 [...] Girl on a too-familiar way of psychoanalysing sex workers (blog link via [...] [...] Girl on a too-familiar way of psychoanalysing sex workers (blog link via [...]

]]> By: Furry Girl http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/degrading-violent-desires/#comment-25 Furry Girl Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:08:21 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=190#comment-25 Sequoia: I hear you, it is a shitty rebuttal. Mine's two-fold: "No, complete stranger, I am not a sex worker because I was raped as a child, but fuck you very much for assuming that it's any of your business to ask in the first place. And even if I had been raped, how exactly does that invalidate my career choice?" It reminds me of the "unpacking your gender privilege" list where one of the items is like, "You're privileged if you've never had a stranger ask you out of nowhere what your genitals look like and how you have sex." Same thing for sex workers: strangers think it's their right to demand to know our histories of sexual abuse or assault, but you wouldn't see them do that to non-sex workers. Sequoia: I hear you, it is a shitty rebuttal. Mine's two-fold:

"No, complete stranger, I am not a sex worker because I was raped as a child, but fuck you very much for assuming that it's any of your business to ask in the first place. And even if I had been raped, how exactly does that invalidate my career choice?"

It reminds me of the "unpacking your gender privilege" list where one of the items is like, "You're privileged if you've never had a stranger ask you out of nowhere what your genitals look like and how you have sex."

Same thing for sex workers: strangers think it's their right to demand to know our histories of sexual abuse or assault, but you wouldn't see them do that to non-sex workers.

]]> By: SequoiaRedd http://www.feminisnt.com/2009/degrading-violent-desires/#comment-24 SequoiaRedd Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:34:13 +0000 http://www.feminisnt.com/?p=190#comment-24 thanks for your honesty in posting this, I've often been hesitant to share my own experiences sexual abuse because I didn't want to add anymore fodder to the anti-sex work propaganda campaign and also because so many sex workers use the fact that they've never been sexually abused as a rebuttal in the anti-sex work debate. thanks for your honesty in posting this, I've often been hesitant to share my own experiences sexual abuse because I didn't want to add anymore fodder to the anti-sex work propaganda campaign and also because so many sex workers use the fact that they've never been sexually abused as a rebuttal in the anti-sex work debate.

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